Dan Dawson and Mark Webster sat down during the Premier League Darts trip to Berlin and it was only fitting that they discussed the growth of darts in Germany.
Record viewing numbers, Gabriel Clemens emerging at the World Championship and for Dawson, who has covered the European Tour, which is heavily a German-based product for years, it confirms that effect.
"We know when we get 2-3,000 fans on the Euro Tour, they are hardcore fans. They are going to a Euro Tour because they are into darts so they know how to react.
"Some of the big TV tournaments in Germany have been subdued in years gone by because you are getting people just trying it out for the first time. The sort of casual fans.
"Then four million people watching Gabriel Clemens at the World Championship. They've got this now, they know how this works."
"What I would like to see like Rotterdam is if there was a bit of identity to it. Then that would be good."
While Webster also discussed Clemens' run to the latter stages at Ally Pally as 'fantastic' with the sporting world gripped by 'The German Giant'.
"You had Thomas Muller and that tweeting about them, it was just fantastic. Particularly for Gabriel Clemens, he's got so much ability but never really done anything with it. He's always just done enough so to see him in the semi-finals of the World's and the knock on effect, it was fantastic."